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Posted: Wednesday, 15 April 2009 10:23AM

United to charge heavier passengers twice to fly



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Bob Roberts Reporting
CHICAGO (WBBM)
- United Airlines is clarifying how it intends to enforce a newly-implemented policy that could result in heavier passengers being charged twice to fly.

SEE THE UNITED POLICY

United spokesperson Robin Urbanski said the airline adopted the policy quietly earlier this year, because until then, its flight attendants and customer service representatives had no guidelines.

Urbanski said those passengers who are unable to comfortably fasten a safety belt with one extension, or sit comfortably with armrests down, will be moved next to an empty seat on board the same flight at no charge if possible. If no empty seats exist, the passenger can be denied boarding, or taken off the flight – and put on the next flight on which space is available – at double the charge.

She was uncertain if the airline would impose the double charge if the next flight were half empty.

Urbanski indicated that the lack of a policy until now left United employees unsure about what they should do.
“Now we have a policy,” she said.

Urbanski said the airline responded to complaints from passengers.

“Previously, a passenger would stay in a seat and the passenger next to him would have an uncomfortable flight,” she said.

Urbanski said United customer service representatives would deny boarding only if no empty seats exist on a flight. She denied information given WBBM by a United customer service representative, assigned to O’Hare International Airport, who said the airline had instructed those working at airport ticket counters and gates to be extra vigilant beginning Wednesday for passengers they deem to be overweight.

“It’s simply not true,” she said.

Couples traveling together in adjoining seats would be exempted from the policy, so long as the second passenger does not complain, Urbanski said.

Different airlines have addressed the question of big passengers with differing amounts of aggressiveness. Southwest airlines, for instance, is known to be aggressive about imposing the double charge. Urbanski insists that United is no different from any other airline, and said pointedly that she sees no difference between United and O’Hare’s other major carrier, American Airlines.

American spokesman Tim Smith said that while the airline has the right to require a second ticket, it will do so only if it can find no other solution.

“I don’t remember us ever having to impose such a charge,” said American spokesperson Mary Frances Fagan.


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04/15/2009 7:15AM
What do you think of the policy?
Is it fair?
04/15/2009 8:30AM
why not bigger seats?
As a non-heavy person I say Thank You to United. However, at some point the airlines need to start respecting the customers (meaning americans overall are larger than years past, I think it's time we update the standard seat size).
04/15/2009 9:26AM
Moneygrubbing
at the expense of the one class of people it's still "OK" to discriminate against. I won't be flying United ever again. And no I don't need to use a seat belt extender. I just this this is wrong.
04/15/2009 9:42AM
No longer flying United
When I wasn't "obese" by insurance standards, my Polish hips still made it more comfortable to fly with the seatrests up. United better enforce this 100% universally or they're going to have lawsuits on their hands. I, for one, will no longer fly United on principle.
04/15/2009 10:14AM
FAIRNESS
Yes, it is very fair. If an overweight person sitting next to me is coming into my space, then I am being violated. Either charge me less, of force that person to buy enough space for their body.
04/15/2009 10:40AM
Life is full of discrimination
Being overwieght is not a protected class like being of a certain religion, ethnicity, or having a disability. Any lawsuit challenging such a policy would fail outright because there is no basis to allege that being overwieght is a protected class.
04/15/2009 11:05AM
It's about time
Being a flight attendant I have seen this problem over and over. Yeah the seats are small but please you are on a plane. If you want a nice seat pay for it and upgrade yourself. If you take more up more than one seat then you should have to pay. It is only fair.
04/15/2009 11:08AM
You know you're fat....
If you are obese (fat, chubby, flabby, fluffy) whatever you want to call it. I myself am fat. I won't deny that fact. But I CAN fit comfortably in airline chairs. I do not "overflow" into the other seats. But there are people out there who are fat and DO overflow into the seats. I say charge them. They HAVE got to know that they are fat and that they will take up the space. Take two fat folks and have them sit together, (three seats) empty in the middle and charge them each half for that seat. If airlines are going to charge, they should make things fair.
04/15/2009 11:10AM
Report as Offensive
As a membor of the 300 lb club, I understand what its like to sit uncomfortably for 3 hours because the air lines are trying to stick as many seats as they can in a flight. If I am expected to pay double , then I want a double seat!Like first class. I am who I am and should not be inconvienenced because of my intended design. 1st extra charges for luggage, pay toilets, hey did you forget about air? See ya United!
04/15/2009 11:13AM
Frequent flyer
This type of action would be a strong act of discrimination Whats next weigh people before they can board a plane United is Garbage Boycot the Airline and let it go Under !!!!!!!!!!
04/15/2009 11:21AM
I'm short
I'm short (4"10) but sometimes my 130 lbs don't fit that well in the seats. does that make me need to buy an extra seat. My hubby is LARGE we get him a aisle seat next to me, so if anyone get squished it's me. He is not overweight on purpose, but because of his meds. This is discrinimation.
04/15/2009 11:29AM
Just more United attitude
I used to fly United often, almost monthly. I do not fly United at all anymore because they have always been rude and each terminal I have been at they are always the same. WE all have rules to follow but United employees have always seemed to me to be a bit arrogant and they try to be intimidating. I'm surprised United hasn't started a policy that if change falls out of your pocket it is the airlines from that point on. Don't forget to check the cushions. Maybe you can catch the oil companies with their record profits.
04/15/2009 11:29AM
discrimination
Why is it still ok to attack fat people if they charged extra for race or sex it would be discrimination why is it ok to attack physical attributes?
04/15/2009 11:36AM
united
Everyone can put down United but believe it or not all the other legacy carriers has had this policy in place for sometime. United is only catching up. So if you boycot United you should just drive.
04/15/2009 11:54AM
READ AND WEEP
Obesity LawIn the obesity and litigation case regarding the "look" of airline attendants, Gerdom v. Continental Airlines Inc., 692 F.2d 602, 610 (9th Cir. 1982; en banc), the judge ruled that weight discrimination held no place in the ability to do thejob.
04/15/2009 12:02PM
I have been directly affected
I KNOW what this is all about. I am overweight, and am larger than one seat. I have been taken off a plane, and have been denied boarding, all the while humiliated by the airlines. I am willing to pay for the COMFORT of a larger seat. But this concept of 2 seats, or double price- this is a fiction created by the airlines, under the concept that everyone should fit into a size seat that they deem to be average. There is no height discrimination, and no discrimination for handicapped. Why dont they, like theaters, have some seats that are a little larger that can accomodate someone heavier, someone with a broken leg, an elderly guest- this should be standard on all planes, and I blame the airlines for their desires to profit for not seeing it that way- if a CEO was heavier and had to sit in a small seat when they traveled, they would understand this. The airlines MUST change the size of their seats to accomodate the different needs of todays passengers. But thats my opinion, because I deal with this. Its easy to say otherwise if its not your issue.
04/15/2009 12:03PM
To: Unbelievable
I find it funny that you encourage everyone to fly Southwest over this issue. They were the first airline to post this policy and are the most aggressive in enforcing it. On top of that, they are the reason passengers no longer get meals on domestic flights amongst other amenities. Also, I would no longer be quick to throw out the less expensive card. That used to be the case with Southwest, now if you compare the cost on Southwest's website with expedia or Orbitz, you will find more often now that you may find a cheaper flight on a major over southwest. Frankly, I prefer united, as being 6'5'' they have economy plus that no other american airline offers, where I can get more leg room without paying through the roof first class prices (still a nominal fee but reasonable and worth it on a 12 hour flight!)
04/15/2009 12:26PM
It is an Aircraft for God's Sake
People don't realize that the aircraft has a maximum amount of weight that it can carry, all factored in with fuel etc. RASM AND CASM is a term used in the industry, all about Available Seat miles people. That seat costs money, and of course they have to make you pay to use the seat, because YOU are taking bread out of their mouths. And honestly, out of the employees' mouths. It is a very expensive industry, its not like they are running greyhound buses here people. So get over it, get over yourselves. Lose some weight or just rent a damn car!
04/15/2009 12:32PM
This can apply in court if Challanged
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 declares that all persons within the United States have a right to employment free from discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. It has been used in weight discrimination cases where weight standards are applied differently to different protected classes (e.g. women and men), and where weight standards have an adverse impact on a protected class.
04/15/2009 1:02PM
It's About Time!
It's about time people wake up in this country. Obesity is an epidemic in America and those of you who are obese should understand how offensive it is to other people who actually care about themselves and have self pride in how they look. Complaining about having to pay for two seats on an airplane while totally inconveniencing people who have to sit next to you and having to lean away for the entire flight just for you, is ridiculous. People shouldn't have to put up with your shortcomings. Stop rationalizing your obesity. It's not what's on the inside that counts stupid, that's just fat people's way of feeling good about their shortcomings and justifying why it's ok to suff that pie hole with crap every chance they get. What a joke. Make every one of them pay double. If they truly enforce this policy I will gladly fly this airline as much as possible and for all of you not flying this airline anymore because of this policy, See you and good ridance.
04/15/2009 1:02PM
funny related story
to read a funny story related to this, go to homeofthefat dot com and search "plane"
04/15/2009 1:03PM
Re:Apr 15 2009 12:21PM I am short
"He is not overweight on purpose, but because of his meds."Is thath the new "glandular" problem?
04/15/2009 1:05PM
squozen
I flew 10 hrs from Texas (the fattest state) next to a fat guy. He had 70% of our 2-seat space and I had to cram into the remaining 30. He should have paid for my space and I should have gotten a discount ... what's so hard to understand about that?
04/15/2009 1:08PM
Pay by the Pound
It's simple -- charge by the pound. Luggage or flesh, it costs more to keep 100 pounds airborne than 99. Doesn't matter whether you're fat, tall, or just pack a suitcase full of bricks... make people pay for what they're putting in the air. If a skinny person with 10 stuffed bags has to pay the same as a fat person flying without luggage, then you'll know it's a fair system.
04/15/2009 1:11PM
About time
Agree it is about time - really don't like to be squashed out of part of my seat because someone heavy is next to me. I say HOORAY!!!
04/15/2009 1:13PM
Obesity in America
Some people cannot help being fat. Some can. There is no easy way to discern between the two and so airlines have been treading very carefully on this issue. As someone who has been on SEVERAL flights next to seatbelt extender-sized persons, this news-- though I guess it is news only to me -- WOULD actually incent me to use United more often. Running an airline is a tough business, they gotta do what they gotta do...
04/15/2009 1:14PM
Oh Yeah
So glad to see this rule in place. I have found it uncomfortable and unfair whenever I've had the misfortune of being seated next to someone who spills into my seat. I do not think it is fair to charge me the same as a heavy person when they take halfof my seat. Sorry to all of you chubby folk, but try cutting the carbs, or walking to your destination, then maybe you will fit next time!
04/15/2009 1:15PM
Very Fair
On numerous occasions, I have had the misfortune for being seated in the middle seat with two very overweight people on each side of me. I've had to lean forward for 5 hours or more straight as there was not enough room for me to lean back comfortably in my seat. I do have compassion for overweight people however I am also a paying customer that should be equally accommodated. Why the anger against United? Can they possibly win on this issue? The only FAIR thing to du is treat all passengers equally which means if my child is too big to sit on my lap I need to purchase her a ticket for a sat. IF the person is too big to fit in the seat they should also purchase another tickt for an additional seat.
04/15/2009 1:15PM
Very Fair
On numerous occasions, I have had the misfortune for being seated in the middle seat with two very overweight people on each side of me. I've had to lean forward for 5 hours or more straight as there was not enough room for me to lean back comfortably in my seat. I do have compassion for overweight people however I am also a paying customer that should be equally accommodated. Why the anger against United? Can they possibly win on this issue? The only FAIR thing to du is treat all passengers equally which means if my child is too big to sit on my lap I need to purchase her a ticket for a sat. IF the person is too big to fit in the seat they should also purchase another tickt for an additional seat.
04/15/2009 1:22PM
You have a choice
The way I see it obese people have a choice. They can lose the weight, travel by boat or car, or they can pay for the two seats they take up. It is uncomfortable to me when I pay full price for my seat and a heavy persons thigh is on my seat. They did not offer me money to share my seat so why should I have to endure a long flight with their sweaty thigh against mine?
04/15/2009 1:30PM
What's your impact?
Why shouldn't airlines charge for 2 seats if that's what a person's space takes up? If it's cheaper for first class (bigger seats) than 2 coach tix, by all means enjoy first class. But I don't want someone intruding on the space that I paid for. Similarly, why should I pay extra for a 52 lb bag when I and my bag combined weigh less than 200 lbs yet a 300 lb person gets an allotment of 350 lbs? I say put us and our luggage on the scale and charge by the pound with a surcharge if that total poundage takes up extra room in the cabin (as opposed to extra room in the cargo hold). How is that not fair? Embarrassing? It could be done respectfully.
04/15/2009 2:10PM
ONE WORD
DISCRIMINATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
04/15/2009 2:26PM
United
If you feel this is unfair please write to United and tell them how you feel.
04/15/2009 2:31PM
To you people who cry "Discrimination"
How is it fair that your extra fat gets to rest on my seat? Put your extra fat where it will fit be it a first class seat or an empty seat that I did not pay for. It is about what is right for both parties (fat and not fat).
04/15/2009 2:35PM
United
What about people that lack personal cleansing skills. I have sat next to someone that obviously did not use deodarant. I would rather sit next to someone obese than have to smell that my whole flight. What happens if I become pregant? Should I be charged 2 seats because I chose to have a child?
04/15/2009 3:16PM
All about money...
Not only the airline companies are doing this but I'm starting to see this in the health care insurance companies, as well. Pay higher premiums for less then healthy people.
04/15/2009 4:21PM
Exercise is good for you
You overweight folks should just walk to your destination (while carrying your bags). This will save you $$$ and improve your health while leaving us skinny folks to fully enjoy our seat space. Now, get going !
04/15/2009 4:33PM
Start a FAT Airline
Since there is an epidemic of FATNESS in the U.S., why not start-up an airlines with super large seats for super large people. Price tickets by the pound. ANd lots of fried chicken and other delicacies on the menu.
04/15/2009 4:44PM
Let's treat Gays like we treat Fat People!
Well it's different because fat people CHOOSE to eat and gays are born that way! REALLY? Doesn't seem so nice when we put it that way, does it? Why should we let gay people get married? Can't they just go straight? That seems a lot like the 'can't they just lose weight' sentiment. I mean, we supplement and go out our way for poor people, disenfranchised people, minorities, any other group except fat people. Fat has now taken on the stigma that gay had. I think our society soo fears fatness, in any form, because we ALL have the potential to become it, so we bad mouth and separate our selves from it like a infection, so as to not 'catch' it or make it normative. Dang, that sounds a lot like the mainstream thoughts of homosexuality prior to the mid-90s, doesn't it? Think about what is now being said about the macho guy who actively speaks with anti-gay sentiments...he is a homophobe (and we tend to think he acts this way cuz he actually may like guys, so he tries to distance himself from his feelings). This is not dissimilar to this fat people situation. Should we call those who discriminate against obese individuals Cacomorphobes? She we not assume that they try to distance themselves from fat people because deep down inside they wish they didn't have to keep up with the fitness Jones'? Hmm, just something to think about.
04/15/2009 4:48PM
Crap
Now that comment takes the cake. What a bunch of crap. How in hell is gay part of this article. Get real you idiot.
04/15/2009 4:50PM
Let the tears Flow?
You should thank fat people! They're the ones supporting the McDonald's franchise you work at! Get a brain dude. It's ok to discriminate? Just remember that when your customers start speaking loudly and slowly to you when you take their order! ;-)
04/15/2009 5:06PM
This is still a seating issue=
I blame this on the airlines, who decide how large a seat should be. Then United is requiring the purchase of a "2nd seat". Why is it seen as 2 seats? If a person is 20% larger, why not pay a small premium? As a heavy person who has dealt with this many many times, Im willing to pay more, but not 2x, not talk of 2 seats. Im not 2 people, Im one, and I find it offensive to say I need 2 seats. I would happily request 50% more space (to be comfortable) and pay 50% more- but the space should be realigned to what the average traveler takes up, not what exists today.
04/15/2009 5:09PM
Relocate Fat Folks
To minimize the need for travel and inconvenience to themselves and others, all FAT people should just be relocated to Texas, Alaska or some other LARGE state, where they wouldn't have to deal with us embittered skinny folks who resent their looks
04/15/2009 5:30PM
WOW - what is this world coming to?
I am completely not believing I am reading this. Wonder what my lawyer would have to say about this and how it viots my right as a heavier person. UNBELIEVABLE!!!!
04/15/2009 7:18PM
Not rights violated !
Being overweight or too tall or corpulent is not a protected disability as such and thus you have not had any "rights" violated. The only right you have here is to choose an alternative carrier or book enough seats to accomodate you without inconveniencing other passengers.
04/15/2009 7:44PM
OUTRAGED
THE AIRLINES IS DEFINITELY RACIST AND DISCRAMATORY AGAINST FAT PEOPLE'' FAT IS BEAUTIFUL''
04/15/2009 8:22PM
It's simply about weight and space
i am sorry some folks are feeling discriminated but air travel is about weight and space. That's why you pay extra when your luggage is too heavy. I brought my mom to the airport last month for her return flight home. she waits 124lbs and had to pay $50fee for checking in an additional 30lbs of luggage. Next to us there was a 250 lbs woman checking in who paid no extra. is this fair? Sounds like it.
04/15/2009 8:33PM
Awesome !
just like s moking why should i suffer when one can not fit inotto one average seat--its just like breathing somebodys smoke--that is infringement on my space--which i have paid for!thanks--great idea!
04/15/2009 9:05PM
Place The Blame Where It Belongs
My Uncle used to sell planes for McDonnell Douglas. When they laid out seats they planned for 60% occupancy on most flights. An airline could certainly sell every seat if necessary, but most of the time all the middle seats were expected to be empty. My uncle was horrified when I told him that my flights this year (almost 100 segments) have averaged 90% full. I don't care what size you are, full flights are extremely uncomfortable for every single passenger. The airlines are simply cramming more and more people into space never designed for that. I am 6'3" and there is not enough room on most planes between my seat back and the one in front of me to accommodate my legs. It is often impossible for me to put my feet flat on the floor. At 5' 7", my girlfriend's knees touch the seat in front. And at 17.5 inches wide, the average airline seat does not have enough room for an average person, much less a big one. It isn't fun sitting jammed next to a big person, but most of the blame for the extremely uncomfortable conditions in planes these days needs to be placed squarely where it belongs, on the airlines.
04/15/2009 9:32PM
i love it
why not bigger seats? lol say no to fat people pay the money and be happy ..
04/16/2009 6:55AM
are you kidding? Pay up!
If the airlines were to outfit their aircraft with bigger seats to accomadate the large,the customers pay for it.Also, less availability on the aircraft makes for higher ticket prices.WHY IN THE WORLD should the airlines redo their entire fleets for a very small percentage of customers?I used to work for the airlines for a very long time and I agree with them. With in the next few weeks you will see almost every airline doing the same thing(or admitting they already have a policy in place,it just wasnt enforced)Its monkey see,monkey do in the airlines.One wont make a move until another one does.So pay what it takes to cart your rear around and stop complaining.It really does cost more to move a bigger person.The freight in the belly costs more the more it weighs..why not people? Also, for the people who keep saying how gas prices have gone down and all..whatever,its still expensive.You want safety,security,good food,a comfy chair,clean air..the works. You want it all at a cheap price. Then STOP flying and drive. You put yourself in a tin can,allow this company to hurl you 35,000 feet into the air,be served by chicks (and some dudes) who can barley push a cart on wheels from the galley(who are, btw supposed to SAVE your life in an emergency)Be realistic and pay the damn extra $.
04/16/2009 8:36AM
Dltrey
what next? Start charging the handicap for all the room the wheelchair takes up, then what charge people by their race. Good Bye United it looks like you are going bye bye
04/16/2009 10:08AM
The Airline Industry Bites
The airline industry is on ot's way down the toilet. This is one more indicator of the small minded greed driven polocies it comes up with. It is hateful mean spirited and sad.
04/16/2009 2:35PM
Fat Ideas
Hey how about we fly fat people for free. Let people sit in their laps ,so say like a cushion . they could also be used for flotation devices in case of a crash into water. so I say let them fly free. they also are usally jolly people so they would alsobe good for the morale eh.
04/16/2009 3:59PM
Drugs can make you fat
You know, medications for many major illnesses can make you obese. Drugs, like Steroids and antidepressants; even many of the drugs for diabetes. For all those who "poo poo" this I have two words: "Jerry Lewis"
04/16/2009 4:08PM
You have got to be kidding?
For those of you who agree with this policy, you must be the size of a twelve year old girl to actually fit in that narrow seat. So now that the "fat people" as you call them will no lnoger be flying, how long do you think it will be before you are paying double or tripple the cost for your narrow seat because the airlines will not be able to fill the plane. You get what you wish for.
04/17/2009 10:34AM
Depends on your Prespective
I agree with the post above that this is going to open a can of worms for people to start taking it upon themselves to point of specific people. I've been a 100K mile flyer with United for many years and there are just some people who don't want a certain individual next to them...this will give them the ammo they need to have that person disposed. I'm a mid-sized person who fits in my seat, however, I've had people next to me smaller in the waist but large in the hips, long legs, broad shoulders, and extra thin but thought my leg space includes theirs because they wanted to cross their legs and showcase their shoes or whatever. Where do you draw the line? It's discrimination no matter how you look at it. Also, the comparative point the person made above about gays is spot on. The problem with most people is they don't think out of the box or try to see things from all prospectives. I think there are going to be some serious fights on these aircraft as a result of this. They should have implemented this policy and kept quiet about it...now they have handed "it's all about me" passengers a weapon to dispose the person next to them if they feel as though that person is larger than they should be...even when they are not!
04/18/2009 8:21AM
Report as Offensive
I agree with the proposed new charge. If anyone ever had to sit next to a person taking up more then their allotted space they would agree. A flight from Vegas to Chicago provided my experience where the aisle person taking over 1/3 of my space requiring me sitting at an angle that cramped my back. I asked Flight attendant (not United) for an alternate seat - she looked but reported very loudly (attempting to embarrass me that there were none.
04/20/2009 5:57AM
Needs a fourth item for shoulders broader than the space between armrests
The policy seems to be potentially discriminatory--against women. I've seem plenty of women who can fit in their seat, fasten the belt with no extender and room left over, but find the armrest somewhat uncomfortable because it is right at their hips (true for me when pregnant). On the other hand, some men have broader shoulders and cause their adjacent seatmate to have to "lean" for that reason. Have you ever been seated next to a male body builder? I have! My most uncomfortable flight ever, and trust me that guy was not "fat" and wasn't using any seatbelt extender.Oh, and if United wants a "passenger comfort equity" policy, they should clarify which seats get use of which armrest. Each armrest is only wide enough for one arm. They could sell armrest space usage by the hour.And if you need to stretch your legs, how about a fee for 5 minutes of occupying aisle space?
08/02/2009 1:27PM
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